Yesterday afternoon Dr. Drew held a 30-minute live chat to discuss people’s questions and concerns about the students in LeRoy. Prior to the chat, I left a question on his facebook wall. It’s not there now, so I can’t copy it and paste it here, but I remember exactly what I wrote.
I think part of the problem is that everyone is looking for “THE CAUSE” of the neurological illness the LeRoy students are experiencing. We need to be considering interactions between multiple factors. A well-designed study looking at environmental factors, individual vulnerabilities, and things like vaccines may reveal causal factors and interactions between them. A Multiple Analysis of Variance (MANOVA) would be a powerful statistical analysis to use. Study groups would be 1) 15 students from LeRoy who are exhibiting symptoms; 2) 15 students from LeRoy who are not exhibiting symptoms; and 3) 15 students from other parts of the country (matched for age and SES) who are exhibiting the same sudden-onset neurological symptoms that began around the beginning of the school year. The study could be conducted in a way that would protect the privacy of the kids by assigning numeric values to personal data from developmental history, medical records, and standardized measures of daily activities of adolescents. I am qualified to conduct just such a study. I have been recognized by the National Psychological Foundation for excellence in research. I am willing to partner with other researchers who may not share my admitted bias in this. What are your thoughts on this, Dr. Drew?
If you don’t want to listen to Dr. Drew’s entire discussion, you can just go to about minute 13:00. That’s where he “addresses” my question and follows it with an advertisement for the pharmaceutical industry. At around 15 minutes, Dr. Drew talks about how with conversion disorder it is often found that toxic insult is part of what sets things off.
Dr. Drew just dismissed the possibility that vaccines could be involved in the neurological disorders of students at LeRoy and across the U.S. His statement: “That just doesn’t hold water. I’ve looked into it and if it did, I would be willing to do that [do a study, which is what I proposed], but it just doesn’t hold water. They’ve all had different vaccines. They have not all had the same vaccines.”
“Dr. Drew: I am disappointed in your dismissal of concerns regarding vaccines. I realize you most likely will not respond to this, but I believe it deserves to be said. The frustration many of us have is that we see our children develop identical symptoms following vaccination.
Aluminum toxicity causes the same kinds of symptoms. Aluminum causes disregulation of dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline. Neurological symptoms of aluminum toxicity include loss of motor control, aphasia, confusion, delerium, and seizures.
As an internal medicine doctor you are no doubt aware of the FDA limitations for aluminum in IV fluids. For those who do not know, aluminum is limited to 25 mcg per day for adults, and to 4-5 mcg. per kilogram of body weight for infants and children. The amount of aluminum contained in vaccines is hundreds of times higher and there have never been any safety studies done on injecting aluminum. It has just been assumed to be safe.
Last weekend the journal LUPUS published a peer-reviewed study documenting aluminum toxicity from vaccines as a factor contributing to the significant increase in childhood autoimmune diseases. Many of us do not understand how you can say the possibiity of vaccines being involved in this “just doesn’t hold water.” Have you looked at how much aluminum the girls got in the vaccines they received? You can calculate it by going to NVIC and using the Vaccine Ingredients Calculator. I can tell you that if they got just the Dtap, they got more than 300 micrograms. It they got Gardasil and Dtap, they got more than 600 micrograms. If they got pneumoccocal vaccine and Gardasil and Dtap, they got between 800 and 900 micrograms.
Saying that it can’t be vaccines because they didn’t all get the same vaccines doesn’t hold water, to borrow your own phrase. It doesn’t matter which vaccines they got or in what combination. The aluminum and the mercury (which is in multi-dose vials of flu vaccines used in school flu clinics, and is also in multi-dose vials used at health departments, Walmart and CVS, etc.) are synergistic toxins. In one study where aluminum killed one out of every 100 rats, and mercury killed one out of every 100 rats, when the two were combined all 100 rats died. If the girls got Dtap (a strong possibility, with the pertussis outbreaks of late) and either meningococcal or flu vaccine from multi-dose vials, they would have gotten approximately 300 micrograms of aluminum and 25 micrograms of thimerosal. That combination would certainly be enough to cause a neurological reaction in someone who was predisposed to vaccine-injury as a result of mitochondrial disorder from chronic exposure to environmental toxins.
Why is it so off-limits to even question if this may be what’s happening? If you are right and the vaccine hypothesis doesn’t hold water, then surely that will be made evident if a study is conducted. Refusing to investigate simply because you say “It doesn’t hold water” is not good enough.”
So now we know. They have all had vaccines. They just didn’t all have the same vaccines. That’s why they have been “ruled out.”
Later in his talk, Dr. Drew answered a question from another commenter who asked, “Is there anything that scares you about this investigation?” Dr. Drew responded, “Just that it wouldn’t be completed.”
Is it just me or do others also see hypocrisy here?
To Dr. Drew:
It’s not too much to ask for this to be thoroughly investigated. The refusal to do so does not make sense. As I said, if there really is no connection, we need to know that for sure. The flat out denial that there is any connection without investigating possible interactions only serves to heighten the suspicions and will have a negative affect on vaccination rates. If you are so convinced vaccines are not involved, let’s prove it.
After the “Live Chat” there were a lot of comments left on Dr. Drew’s facebook page. One of the questions that came up was, “Wouldn’t vaccine reactions show up within hours of the vaccine?” That’s an excellent question. Here is my response:
Vaccine reactions can occur within hours, minutes, days, weeks or months of vaccination. The toxins in vaccines include aluminum and mercury. These two metals are supposed to be excreted from the body within a few days, but there are physical differences that make that extremely variable from person to person.
For example, mercury (still in several vaccines, and in large amount in both meningococcal and flu vaccines from multi-dose vials) is supposed to be excreted within 10 days. However, in order for that to happen, the person’s methylation and sulfation pathways (the two major detoxication pathways) have to be working effectively. When someone is exposed to chronic toxins (as these students have been), the detox pathways often do not work properly because their glutathione (major antioxidant) and B-vitamins (B-6, B-12, Folic Acid) and other catalysts involved are depleted from constantly fighting to rid their bodies of the environmental toxins.
So when someone who lives in that kind of environment gets a vaccine, the “usual” expectations do not apply. Add to the mix things like antibiotics (taken for acne or other infections) and hormones (birth control pills, depo provera) taken for acne, birth control, or endometriosis, and what happens is the mercury and aluminum are still in the body for long periods of time. Antibiotics alone prolong the excretion of mercury from 10 days to more than 100 days. These are issues that need to be investigated for these particular girls. You cannot apply the rationale that just because vaccine reactions are studied for two days in clinical trials that means all vaccine reactions are limited to two days after injection. (I should note that many vaccine trials follow subjects for up to five days.)
I need to make a clarification. In my initial comment to Dr. Drew I erroneously said that if they got the Dtap they would have gotten about 300 micrograms of aluminum. These kids are too old for Dtap. They would have gotten Tdap.
There are two makers of Tdap: Sanofi Pasteur and GlaxoSmithKline. Sanofi’s product is Adacel. That’s the one that almost killed my daughter when she had a grand mal seizure and hit her head 3 hours after she received it. And it was the only one she got. Adacel contains the following neurotoxins: 330 micrograms of aluminum, 5 mcg formaldehyde, and 330 mcg phenoxyethanol (a solvent).
GSK’s product is Boostrix. Boostrix contains the following neurotoxins: 390 mcg aluminum, 100 mcg formaldehyde, and 100 mcg polysorbate 80.
To Dr. Drew: Given that you are an addictions counselor, can you not even consider that the synergistic effects of these neurotoxins, even if it’s only from one vaccine, could cause the diffuse pattern of damage you described in your discussion today when you were talking about the pathways involved in Tourette’s? A very basic tenet of addictions counseling is the concept of synergy. Alcohol causes X amount of damage. Cocaine causes X amount of damge. Alcohol + Cocaine does not cause XX damage, it causes XXXXXXXX damage. How is it possible that multiple neurotoxins injected directly into the body could not possibly be involved in the kind of neurological damage you describe?
If you haven’t previously seen the interview of Dr. Bernadine Healy with Sharyl Attkisson from 2008, now would be a good time. Dr. Healy is the former head of the National Institutes of Health.
Vaccine safety is not being investigated and it won’t be because the officials at the Institute of Medicine have said not to pursue research that could identify groups of children who are more susceptible to vaccine-injury. They are being thrown under the bus. That’s unacceptible.
Dr. Drew: I understand you work for CNN. I understand CNN gets a lot of advertising money from pharmaceutical companies; including those that make vaccines. I ask you to please consider that this may be a conflict-of-interest that clouds your ability to think like a scientist. I also ask you to consider this: There is a narrow window of time during which the parents of the LeRoy kids will be able to file claims for compensation if their children really are vaccine-injured. I believe it is imperative to conduct a thorough investigation to determine whether or not this is the case. If vaccines are not investigated as a possible causal factor, just because you and others who make money from vaccine sales say the hypothesis is “irrational” or “doesn’t hold water,” who is going to foot the bill for caring for them? As anyone who has a vaccine-injured child will tell you, the consequences of vaccine-injury are often life-long. Parents frequently have to leave their jobs or careers in order to care for their kids. Many do not receive any financial assistance at all, and the most frequent reason for that is because they did not know it was possible until the statute of limitations was already passed.
I ask you, Dr. Drew… If it does turn out later on, down the road, that vaccines have played a part in the damage these kids have suffered, are YOU going to write checks to their parents to help with their care?